tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7644330977663735375.post5754176019059498552..comments2023-11-26T22:21:43.159-08:00Comments on The Lyrical Thyagaraja (Tyagaraja Darshana): Maanasa SancharareLyrical Tyagaraja Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10062299490095360091noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7644330977663735375.post-9234793964048147062020-08-28T07:04:16.654-07:002020-08-28T07:04:16.654-07:00or should better say: mah, mahan, hence mahaniiya ...or should better say: mah, mahan, hence mahaniiya etc.Lyrical Tyagaraja Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10062299490095360091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7644330977663735375.post-33029067475516958442020-08-28T06:42:15.303-07:002020-08-28T06:42:15.303-07:00@PD Amarnath:
Yup, you're right. No need to v...@PD Amarnath:<br /><br />Yup, you're right. No need to verify. Root is mahan, so it's mahaniya महनीय . That's a typo. Thing is, as I've mentioned in other places, the first 3-4 songs were done when we were setting up the site - so, they are entirely different from the other songs here. Probably got the text typed, then transliterated in iTranslator then put here, and the typo carried over. We weren't doing text validation for the first few songs, nor typing up the lyrics and transliteration from scratch. Also stopped using Devanagari even for Sanskrit songs, though TKG uses it his book throughout. I'm sure the older songs will have a couple more typos...Lyrical Tyagaraja Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10062299490095360091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7644330977663735375.post-16439646223837332652020-08-28T06:17:52.349-07:002020-08-28T06:17:52.349-07:00I think the word Mahaneeya is with softer Na, the ...I think the word Mahaneeya is with softer Na, the fourth, which is used in the first letter of 'Narayana' and not the last letter. Please verify.P D AMARNATHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16555395380895758313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7644330977663735375.post-42849827660091328452020-05-14T20:29:19.142-07:002020-05-14T20:29:19.142-07:00@Yadatore S. Chandrashekar:
Well, if it isn't ...@Yadatore S. Chandrashekar:<br />Well, if it isn't obvious at first sight, you have to first follow the translation conventions I've given in the intro pages. Between the verse translation given side-by-side and the "word for word" given below the song, you have everything you need. It's pretty straight. What's repeated in the pallavi: "manasa sancharare". How does the word for word translation read: "Approach in your mind, the Brahman, approach in your mind." What is repeated here? "Approach in your mind" and so on. Since we give importance to lyricism, word-for-word meanings are given a lower priority, given indirectly and need be worked out. Actually, this is one of the earliest songs put on the site. After the first 5 songs is when I changed the approach to the current comprehensive one. These songs are more loosely written.Lyrical Tyagaraja Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10062299490095360091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7644330977663735375.post-31644314404312545452020-05-14T15:53:16.744-07:002020-05-14T15:53:16.744-07:00Sir, where is the word by word meaninf specially t...Sir, where is the word by word meaninf specially the pallavi, cannot make out which is thw subject ans which is the verb. Dhanyavad.Yadatore S. Chandrashekarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03178291806794343162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7644330977663735375.post-58779208512027945602020-03-17T20:18:09.813-07:002020-03-17T20:18:09.813-07:00This beautiful poetic song intoxicates the mind a...This beautiful poetic song intoxicates the mind and heart and the one who hears becomes blissful.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13842058415651686382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7644330977663735375.post-79472386576083169392019-12-31T07:18:48.442-08:002019-12-31T07:18:48.442-08:00Absolute help indeed, as almost all other translat...Absolute help indeed, as almost all other translations in net are, sorry to say, nearly absurd!<br />Applause to your blog site. Extremely useful for the JIJNAASU.<br />Many thanks and the best.kchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10407381579915100739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7644330977663735375.post-55063892271017177282018-10-31T02:45:23.842-07:002018-10-31T02:45:23.842-07:00Actually, if we bring Tyagaraja into the picture, ...Actually, if we bring Tyagaraja into the picture, in many cases, where he addresses "Manas", that is Mind, he is being didactic, and sometimes even rebuking others indirectly. Manas therefore, is an abstraction used to instruct the world at large.Lyrical Tyagaraja Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10062299490095360091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7644330977663735375.post-31858553671819248172017-09-13T04:16:18.012-07:002017-09-13T04:16:18.012-07:00@zeinab:
Actually, there have been quite a few rea...@zeinab:<br />Actually, there have been quite a few readers from outside the typical "Sabha-member-type" audience (or the equivalent in the diaspora) one might presume for this site. Including graduate students of western music, musicologists from other cultures, listeners exploring new music from inside and outside India and so on. So, can't be sure that people know the songs or the lyrics. We try to simplify to suit the widest possible readership... as we say in the mission statement, from someone totally alien to these songs to the fastidious researcher.... we'd like provide something new and something nice.Lyrical Tyagaraja Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10062299490095360091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7644330977663735375.post-5545394038448727182017-09-13T02:34:06.240-07:002017-09-13T02:34:06.240-07:00This is a literate site, with an excellent content...This is a literate site, with an excellent content-writer, who, justifiably, chooses to remain anonymous. I found the discussions healthy and meaningful. I wish you all the best. As I have no formal training in Sanskrit, I will only be looking at select posts to get at the meanings of the "lyrics" (excuse my saying so). Many, many thanks!Zeinabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17495374044177010686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7644330977663735375.post-32232682061636578572017-09-13T02:28:31.777-07:002017-09-13T02:28:31.777-07:00@Kman is right, to me at least. The unsplit Devana...@Kman is right, to me at least. The unsplit Devanagari version is true Sanskrit and compresses the pregnant meaning of the compound word. I understand your logic in splitting, but the unsplit version is best; and whoever comes to this blog already knows the verse by heart! Zeinabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17495374044177010686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7644330977663735375.post-30615762775967545132017-09-03T16:33:06.323-07:002017-09-03T16:33:06.323-07:00In any case, one other purpose served, is that, it...In any case, one other purpose served, is that, it it easy to delink it from our other larger Indological projects, should the need arise, and this site can be a standalone. Lyrical Tyagaraja Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10062299490095360091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7644330977663735375.post-82013450905562495402017-09-03T07:47:09.835-07:002017-09-03T07:47:09.835-07:00I think your comment should get the "quirkies...I think your comment should get the "quirkiest comment" award from this site :) Will print a certificate and internet badge for you, if I ever find out who you are :) Lyrical Tyagaraja Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10062299490095360091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7644330977663735375.post-72909537939777644562017-09-03T07:45:01.306-07:002017-09-03T07:45:01.306-07:00In anonymity lies security, my friend. Such are th...In anonymity lies security, my friend. Such are the times we live in. Now, do you want the author to happily shake him by the hand or angrily hang him by the neck? Origin is different. But there is only one writer left now. We don't go too far with anonymity; feel free to contact on email. We have even arranged face-to-face meetings with people in different places as we travel, when they contact on email. As well talked to media persons, fellow researchers, writers. Depends on the situation.<br /><br />Anonymity has a long tradition in Carnatic music. Do you know that every night Utthukadu kavi used to burn the songs he had composed that day, until one day he was caught in the act and whatever remained of his oeuvre was seized from him and preserved for posterity. So the legend goes.<br /><br />Btw, didn't you post your comment anonymously? :) :)Lyrical Tyagaraja Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10062299490095360091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7644330977663735375.post-70316853914074791102017-09-03T07:33:25.367-07:002017-09-03T07:33:25.367-07:00I searched for the name and other writer of this b...I searched for the name and other writer of this blog, but could not find it. Alas ! It is a shame and fishy that the blogger does not reveal his identity. He claims to be a classical musician !!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7644330977663735375.post-40909723063964586842015-08-23T11:00:56.646-07:002015-08-23T11:00:56.646-07:00That's a boatload of songs! I will check it ou...That's a boatload of songs! I will check it out later. I must however quickly draw the line between translating songs and what we do on this site. As I frequently state, we are concerned with understanding the lyrical beauty and hence the message of our subject, Tyagaraja swami. So, we do verse translations, keeping word, line in-order, develop the context, comment and contrast extensively, try to suit the whole spectrum from Carnatic pros to those readers new to Indian culture and so on and so forth and try so hard to not be a compendium of translations. Lots of good translations and expository treatments exist. TKG, P. Sambamurthy, Nookala, TSP.... so many eminent contributors to date. Then, there is the other kind of work like the "Know Your Tyagaraja" columns. Yet, over the years, we felt the need to develop the kind of treatment that you see here. So, I would think our work a success, only if that reader, who encounters Tyagaraja for the first time, is still able to take away, "How did Tyagaraja do this here?", "Why did Tyagaraja do that?" and so on, thus, imbibing every minute particle of the song. Full enjoyment of these songs comes from full knowledge of them. We don't yet cover prosody and musical detail any much online; hopefully, we shall soon. HTH. <br />Lyrical Tyagaraja Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10062299490095360091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7644330977663735375.post-31830056599114495212015-08-23T08:29:45.156-07:002015-08-23T08:29:45.156-07:00I have translated about 1500 Krithis among them a...I have translated about 1500 Krithis among them all the Krithis of Thyagaraja and SAdashhiva Brahmendra have been translated.You can see them in http://translationsofsomesongsofcarnticmusic.blogspot.com/ , Rama ChanderRaja Thathahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09656365715443764793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7644330977663735375.post-62847793972562221972015-08-06T04:52:08.863-07:002015-08-06T04:52:08.863-07:00What you refer to, is the approach of Nadopasana. ...What you refer to, is the approach of Nadopasana. Since the lyric, that is, the message contained in the song, is often not given necessary importance, we highlight it in this site. Lyrical Tyagaraja Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06529056521925080134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7644330977663735375.post-40037661533189715842015-08-05T17:04:13.011-07:002015-08-05T17:04:13.011-07:00Excuse me for posting my comments.in this page whe...Excuse me for posting my comments.in this page where intellectual giants are discussing the greatnes of Sri Sadasiva Brammendirar.who is parabrammam himself. <br /><br />This fool knows nothing.<br /><br /> My humble sumission. <br /><br />The lyric is only a vehicle.through which we can travel. to the required destination only with the fuel of Bakthi.alone. kankaatchi.blogspot.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13626774474019425545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7644330977663735375.post-80909220488044239312015-06-20T17:39:21.118-07:002015-06-20T17:39:21.118-07:00Thanks for your detailed comment. Normally, as we ...Thanks for your detailed comment. Normally, as we are so focused on historical accuracy and rigor on this site, we would keep away from discussing your comment. There are many legends about Sadasiva Brahmendra. He is an interesting seer, who, much like the earlier Gorakhnath of western and northern India, pops up in many places. Many legends surrounding him may just be apocryphal.It is clear that he was from medieval times, as he seems to predate the kriti form and sangatis. He was an Advaitin monk, but, as he is said to have wandered from place to place, that too unclothed, it is unlikely that he occupied the seat in a given math and remained there as its pontiff. We even discuss his mudra of Paramahamsa in our notes above.<br /><br />On this site, we talk only about composers and messages and such like, and never about individual performers, particularly of the modern day. So, we don't want to comment either way on the performer you mention. The movie though, raises a fine discussion. Classical musicians like me, might squirm at film music, and claim ours is a high art, but we have to give movies their due. In this famous movie, the songs were well chosen and appropriate for the context - in this case, teaching a child a simple song. The music composer was easily the best of popular film composer at adapting classical songs to the screen. It is an entirely different matter to weave it into the movie than just include a good rendition of a Carnatic song "as is" in a movie or a play. A very nice contrast, I have seen in the past, is when Sir Neville Marriner, a violinist, adapted Mozart's music for Amadeus, and just some years later, the great Sir Georg Solti and the London Symphony Orchestra did Beethoven and Immortal Beloved. In either case, there were no doubt, regular film composers involved, tying things together for the classical performances. Even though the script of Amadeus was heavily fictionalized, the score for Amadeus, was nicely chosen and blended so well, that it made the music accessible to a very wide audience. Beethoven got a good treatment in the latter movie, sure, but, the way it worked for Amadeus, in my opinion at least, was something else. Of course, both these were biographical movies about the composers and so narrow in compass, unlike this Indian film. <br /><br />I like to muse that people miss what a Sankarabharanam actually is. Literally it means "jewel of Shankara" no doubt. It refers to the snakes Siva wears as jewels, and the conception that it is these that given Siva beauty.Lyrical Tyagaraja Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10062299490095360091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7644330977663735375.post-23883563048692564832015-03-31T05:13:32.867-07:002015-03-31T05:13:32.867-07:00
This lyric was composed by Sri Sadasiva Brahmend... <br />This lyric was composed by Sri Sadasiva Brahmendra, the 58th or 59th Potiff of kanchi Mutt (17th or 18th century). He was a wandering monk/avadhoot and was present in many places including Karachi! His Samadhi is in Nerur, a village near Karur. Many people think that this lyric is composed by Saint Thyagaraja. Nityasri has sung this very well, I appreciate. This song has become very famous because it was in Sankarabharanam movie which was first produced in Telugu and then in Tamil (might be dubbed). Generally in movies, songs are selected that would hit the people instantly. The reader is welcome to know more about Sri Sadasiva Brahmendra from many sites in Internet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7644330977663735375.post-1009913038066463752014-03-13T01:21:05.905-07:002014-03-13T01:21:05.905-07:00As distant as the western classical paradigm and h...As distant as the western classical paradigm and history are from the Carnatic ones, curious similarities some times arise. Talking about Sadashiva as an Advaitin monk, calls to mind one such case. Sadashiva was a scholar, mystic and composer. He predated the Trinity, and what is effectively the classical era, predating developments like the Kriti, the Sangati and so on.<br />Vivaldi, the red priest of the Baroque, similarly predated the Classical and Romantic developments which led to the classical repertoire of today. We can find a simple but unmistakable liveliness in either's works and if we don't know the number, can still immediately note how they come from an older time than the rest of the common repertoire. Of course, the similarities are fairly superficial and the way of life an Advaitin monk and a Catholic priest differ greatly.Lyrical Tyagaraja Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10062299490095360091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7644330977663735375.post-51952707809611628312014-03-02T23:21:54.410-08:002014-03-02T23:21:54.410-08:00@Anonymous:
I included this comment for illustrat...@Anonymous:<br /><br />I included this comment for illustrating the methods used in this work. Normally, since we know from history that Sadashiva was an Advaitin monk, we would say that he has alluded to Sankara's Advaita here. But, this would be using an assumption. In this work, we follow extreme rigor as we explain in the introductory pages. The actual lyrics make no direct or indirect reference to any specific Advaitic concept, nor invoke Sankara. It merely refers to a Brahman and constructs a beautiful picture of Krishna through several attributes. So, we cannot say there is an allusion to Sankara or his Advaita here - even though we would expect it!Lyrical Tyagaraja Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10062299490095360091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7644330977663735375.post-38012804056611864952014-03-02T21:41:27.705-08:002014-03-02T21:41:27.705-08:00The poem has embedded in it Sankaras advaita p...The poem has embedded in it Sankaras advaita philosophy.Here the poet(Sadashiva Brahmendrar a saint and advaita philosopher ) is asking us to meditate on krishna who is considered as the embodiment of ultimate Brahmam.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7644330977663735375.post-26920761066009233442012-07-22T02:09:02.061-07:002012-07-22T02:09:02.061-07:00@Kman:
Thanks for your comment. We love the more c...@Kman:<br />Thanks for your comment. We love the more considered ones, whether you agree or disagree with us.<br /><br />Sri-Ramani-Kucha-Durga-Vihare is a complete expression in the vocative. Devanagari is only a script. The issue you allude to, is connected with the language, Sanskrit, itself. Each charanam in this song is such a Sanskrit expression in praise of Lord Krishna. The familiar form of writing Devanagari is actually a fairly recent development. This is not how it was written in the days of palm leaves. In fact, Sanskrit wasn't written exclusively in Devanagari until about 100 years ago. In the South for example, even unto the early 1900s, a good volume of Sanskrit works were printed in the Telugu script. The punctuations and various marks we use in Devanagari today, have evolved to suit modern western-influenced printing and reading conventions. Originally, nothing need be split, and it was up to the reader to supply the missing vowels, find the words and sentences and so on. This was similar to many other old languages, both classical and non-classical. Today, even Sanskrit diction and composition have changed to meet more familiar conventions. Actually, splitting compounds as above, to ensure readability for the bulk of readers used to reading in English and other Western languages, is by now, accepted in sufficient quarters.<br /><br />Interestingly, we can notice these modern reading and writing conventions even in your comment. Sanskrit has little notion of word order. Often endless transpositions are possible, and the reader needs to break down the text using case endings, contextualization and what not. So, why just split, even transposing the words of "sri-ramani-kucha-durga-vihare" could still leave the thing meaningful,- and yet counter-intuitive to most readers familiar with other languages.<br /><br />Transliteration is only one hurdle. Beyond it lies the question of Transcription. For most songs, due to the incompatibility of older music transcription schemes with the ones common now and the differences in music composition per se, there really is no perfect transliteration.<br /><br />The guidelines we follow for transliteration, edition and revision of lyrics and interpretation are all detailed in our very first intro page which you can access from the left sidebar. The key consideration in how we transliterate is the ease of comprehension for those new to Carnatic music or even Indian culture.Lyrical Tyagaraja Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10062299490095360091noreply@blogger.com